In just a single day, the number of signatures on a petition for Colorado to secede from the union has doubled.
When I first posted the news of the petition yesterday, a little over 7,000 people had signed it. Now it’s up to 15,413. The petition needs just 9,587 more signatures to reach its goal of 25,000, at which point the White House will be forced by law to respond.
And in what looks like a response to the series of secession petitions, yet another petition was filed yesterday with the White House, entitled “Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them.” It has 3,118 signatures thus far, including several from Coloradans.
Many of the signers on the petition for Colorado to secede, though, aren’t from Colorado. They’re from states across the country, from Oregon to New York to Georgia. And I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the signers have put their names on similar petitions in other states – there are parallel movements in plenty of other states, including Alabama, Tennessee, Montana, New Jersey, and more.
The Colorado secession petition’s author is listed on the White House website as “Lynette A,” from Golden.
Don’t want to be an American citizen? How about this for those who want to secede: Go to the nearest government office and revoke your American citizenship-totally and completely. It’s as easy as that. Now you have personally seceded from America. Congratulations.
Now you are a foreign citizen of some yet to be named country. That’s unconstitutional? Sorry, the Constitution of America is for Americans and to secede one must relinquish any and all rights of citizenship including all laws, which includes being covered under the privileges and rights of the Constitution of America.
Oh, by the way, just because some want to secede, most in Colorado live here by choice and aren’t going anywhere. There are currently 5,116,796 people (Jul 2011) people living in Coloradan. So chances are that 5,202,796 that are happy to call themselves Coloradans and Americans are not going to pack up and find another place to live because 0.003% don’t happen to want to be Americans but happen to live in Colorado.
This country tried that same experiment back in 1861.
It didn’t work out so well for those States that tried to secede back then, and it stands even less (much, much less) of a chance now.
Get real, People.
Next topic, please.
Anne: Actually, the constitution applies to all those on American soil, not just American citizens.
The people have spoken and Obama was re-elected. It is time for everyone to stop being selfish and childish. He may not have been your choice, but like it or not he is the President of the United States. We need to come together as a country and stop acting like pouty little children who did not get their way. I know people who refuse to speak with their co-workers or friends becaused Obama was re-elected. Millions of people voted for Obama. It is obvious that many voters did not feel that Romeny was a candidate they could trust. We never knew what he was going to stand for from one day to the next. The republicans did not have a strong candidate and as a result, Romney lost fair and square. We need to move on and focus on uniting as a country. United we stand, divided we fall,
…hook up yer double wides to yer pickem up trucks and head out, we’ll even buy you the gas to get to mexico or canada….or do ya want yer a$$es kicked again like we did in 1865?
Do people even think about what it would take to do such a thing. First off Military They would leave and the State would have to fund its own for protection. Then Money no more US dollars so the State would have to fund and print its own. There ant enough Gold to go back to its standard on the World stage. Education The State would have to fund its own and close the international highways. That brings up another problem Border Patrol how would that work? That’s a drop in a bucket for what it would take to become independent from the United States. Even Texas couldnt do it there just ant enough funds let alone man power. The economics to such a thing the new Country would collapse inside of no time. Such stupid talk and actions from a hand full of people all because there boy lost the Election.
Actually, the states that want to secede probably could pay their own bills as opposed to the coastal states with a huge need for government subsistance. Romney was not the answer, but Obama certainly is not. He bought his presidency from the 47%ers. This is a perfect case of “designing your consituency” to meet your political agenda.
This movement is a reality check for a government that is straying farther and farther from what the founding fathers hoped for. Some could call this (wayward?) movement of the US Government as changing to meet the times, but I argue that is simply straying from the former recipe for success.
We freedom loving (independent) white people really don’t need the trash government we have now that promotes rampant immigration, unnecessary wars, protected classes, entitlement programs, affirmative action, etc. Maybe, we need to have our own country and let the others form their own “Cuban Utopia”.
No problem giving the rednecks their space. In proportion to their numbers, an area of 125,000 acres would be about right. Maybe in the Pinion Canyon area….
Whose stopping them? They should get the hell out.
Derp
Actually, if you really count the numbers, the citizens voted for Mitt Romney. He accumilated over one million more votes that Barack Obama. The people did speak and they were not listened to because of the electoral vote system that had been put in place over two hundred years ago when it would take weeks or months for votes to be counted because the mail was still delivered by the Pony Express, or by hand even earlier in our history. This country is based on the premise of Of the People, For the People and By the People. And the People are tired of being jerked around by the President and the Congress who by the way WORK FOR US. We pay their salaries, we are their employers, and the job is only a TEMPORARY JOB. They are supposed to put the BEST interest of the AMERICAN CITIZENS and our country, first and foremost.
Lisa, please check your FACTS (other than Faux News), as Obama did indeed win the popular vote, and the electoral votes.
62,711,814 for Obama and 59,189,598 for Romney.
Romney did not win the popular vote. But Gore did. We going to go down this road?
Gee thought there were more racists than that in colorado !!
This is a disgrace to the State of Colorado, even if these people are only doing it for a joke. The Civil War was one of the deadliest, costiest wars of our history. To joke about something so serious is not at all funny. To all the Republicans out there just get over it, your candidate lost and President Obama has been elected by the same process that elected your favored candidates like two Bushes, Reagan, and Nixon. A lot of people did not vote for any of them either but we had the decency to suck it up and go on about our lives without calling for impeachment or secession. Stop your whining and pitch in to help this country succeed.
And shame on the Gazetter for fueling this particular fire.
So Edster: this is a reality check??? 15k people who want to leave vs 63 m who voted for Obama, or even the 59m (.025%) that voted for Romney? Obama didn’t ‘buy’ our votes, we realize that the economic policies the right promote do not move this country forward. Massive budget cuts promoted by the right will put hundreds of thousands to millions out of work. This will cause a downward spiral as the state and local governments follow suit as they lose revenue. Also private companies that provide supplies and services will also contract. Look across the pond. The austerity programs imposed on Greece, Spain and Italy have pushed the entire EU into a recession. I will agree about the war of choice in Iraq. The protected classes (top 1%, and big business). What we want is a return to sanity in our tax laws. Progressive tax rates, and fewer deductions. A safety net to catch people as they hit hard times. Sanity in the imigration policy that recognizes this countries need for guest workers. It benefits this country to educate all children. We already pay for everyones medical treatments. It is cheeper to get people out of the emergency rooms and into the doctors offices.
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
“…Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government…”
Now is the time folks, this government no longer represents the people but works to it’s own glory. Those that choose to wait at the foot of their government master for their crumb of bread or sip of tainted water may do so but I will cast my lot with those that choose to create and build of themselves, to stand on their own accomplishments. These are the true Americans. This country grew of men and women who provided for themselves but offered help to those in need of their own accord. Not by force of governement but because of spirit of selflessness. That we now turn to say that if you have achieved your goal of wealth, we must in turn take more from you so that others who have less may be comforted through no labor of their own but the will of the government defies the that which the Republic was founded. Indeed we have chosen the path of many before us that once fought for their exsistance but once won, more so desired to live in comfort then to earn freedoms reward. It is this path the country has now decided and those of us who seek that which the founding fathers desired and built, must decide if we awilling to allow this once great nation continue to decend this path or fight to regain what has been lost.
Man, rattling liberals’ cages and getting them to get their undies all twisted is simply TOO easy! Look, you huffy hussies and apoplectic (“I’m just…just…just…soooo OUTRAGED!), quivering-lower-lip other liberals, you just have to stop taking things so gosh-darn LITERALLY.* I signed the petition, as I’m sure most others who signed it also did, purely as a SYMBOLIC gesture. YES, we think Obama’s economic policies/plans are destructive and will, if imposed, take us further down the road to European socialism. (Hey! Similar policies are working REALLY well in Spain, Greece, and Portugal, aren’t they? <> YES, many conservatives (far fewer than most liberals believe, however) lament the decline of (their) moral values and the institution of various policies they perceive as fostering immorality. (Far more lean libertarian, however, and don’t think the government–at least the FEDERAL government–should dictate our private lives any more than it should our economic lives.) What many liberals (e.g., those calling for the exile of those who signed one of the secession petitions) don’t seem to get is that conservatives genuinely love America, maintain hope that it can be salvaged, and would never bail on (secede from) it.
*Oh…When we (libertarians and conservatives) say we think liberals are stupid, we DO literally mean THAT.
FTR, the CO secession petition now has >25K signatures, the number required to (as declared by the White House) elicit an official acknowledgement/response.
By definition, a democratic government would be one run entirely by plebiscite but that never works. The closest to that was the French revolution which fell apart when citizens stopped caring about trivial matters, voting only on issues they had a personal stake in. Like mob rule, a petition or popular vote may not always be the right way to govern. I don’t pledge my allegiance to a democracy, but to a representative republic (if we can keep it, like Franklin said).
Arizona’s illegal immigration profiling, Colorado’s recreational Marijuana vote, and other states’ redefinition of marriage seem similar acts of secession, or at least saying to the feds “we are taking back our sovereign states’ rights: whatever is not expressly stated in the US Constitution are state responsibilities.” Things like education, welfare, unemployment insurance, public health, marriage, vital statistics, agriculture & commerce, etc. are best governed locally, not from Big Government 2-3 time zones distant.
It’s Obama’s wake up call: work within the system of checks & balances, don’t usurp states rights. In general, “establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.” Leave the specific details to local government.
“It’s Obama’s wake up call: work within the system of checks & balances, don’t usurp states rights. In general, “establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.” Leave the specific details to local government.”
BINGO!
To all of those who want to secede, I say do it..the country would be
a lot better off without a bunch of whining, self-pitying sore losers.
Go..and leave the rest of us, the ones with intelligence and loyalty to
our country to live in peace. What a bunch of cry-baby idiots.
To all those who want a nanny state, read Mein Kampf, a federalist manifesto that justified dissolving all branches of government except der Fuehrer. Not much different than Obama’s trail of executive orders, economic stimuli, socialist health care and de facto nationalizing of Chevrolet: all forced on Congress and without a voice of the electorate.
Just folks who actually work for a living and pay income taxes telling Obama he is not King and we are tired of his executive orders. If Obama thinks he can keep ramming his BS down our throats by using the welfare crowd, the little boy who thinks he is king had better wake up. When millions refuse to pay taxes what will the boy king do besides wet all over himself.
Rather than (or in addition to) Mein Kampf, I’d recommend Hayek’s The_Road_ to_Serfdom and/or the Friedmans’ Free_to_Choose (or Ayn Rand’s Atlas_Shrugged, if you prefer fiction). Are you SURE you’d be better off should those who abhor Obama’s socialistic policies leave, salleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? I don’t think the U.S. economy would last very long; there’d be no growth, and socialism–if not communism–would soon be imposed. I would love to see the Little-Red-Hen squabbling that would ensue in the wake of capitalism’s demise, though.
["Who will help me ____________ (fill in the WORK of your choice)?" "Not I!" replied the majority, "just give us "stuff."] salleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? How is it “self-pitying” to not want what YOU have earned confiscated by the government and given–”redistributed”–to those who incessantly want more “stuff” GIVEN to them (i.e., to those who are net TAKERS)? Intelligence and loyalty are great; it takes more to maintain an economy, however.
Some of your riled up liberals bashing folks for signing a petition
to secede just don’t get it! They are making a statement by signing
the petition. They know it will never happen. Maybe the best reason Colorado should secede would be connected to to legal marijuana.
No government interference and Colorado would collect enough taxes to be totally self sufficient–Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
more racist reaction to being losers to a black man… bwwhahahahahahaha
you redneck teabagger old farts get over it… you’re losers!!!!
oh, and please leave at your first opportunity.
No one is holding a gun to your heads, not now anyway move on out .
Lilithia
Edster posted :We freedom loving (independent) white people really don’t need the trash government we have now that promotes rampant immigration, unnecessary wars, protected classes, entitlement programs, affirmative action, etc.
White people Ed. Really. Does that hood of yours get in the way of your typing?
Rightswatcher posted:
” When millions refuse to pay taxes what will the boy king do besides wet all over himself.”
Probably have the Treasury pursue all legal means to collect those taxes. Those who actually refused would be prosecuted. It’s a pretty simple and straightforward process. Let us know how that works out for you Rights and all the other “millions”. You do get frothy don’t you!!!